9 thoughts on “Bible-Reading Student Gets Lesson in Litigation – washingtonpost.com

  • What a sham!

    Students should be allowed to read from the Bible, Torah, or the Quran on their own time in the school. Diversity is promoted in such ways.

    It should be made clear that the teachers and administrators do not use their positions to impose religious belief systems on their students.

    The ACLU should show some interest in this case, as this case has nothing to do with separation of church and state.

  • This sort of thing happens all the time. If you ever get a chance to glance at David Limbaugh’s book, “Persecution” it’s offensive how Christianity is discriminated against, while Islam is treated with kids glove on the grounds of “diversity” training.

  • david limbaugh’s book has a faulty premise, butch.

    you could have just said that there was an injustice, but for you to say that islam is put on a pedastal in the US, or promote a book that suggests that is almost farcical.

    when i watch CSPAN, CNN, FOXNEWS (JOKE) , BOOKTV i see nothing but commentators attacking all things islamic, from manufacturing new terms like “islamofascist” which has no meaning if you understand what the term fascist means.

    the neocons have open access to any microphone, and they come in from “american enterprise institute” or “washington report on near east policy” or the “hudson institute” or
    “PNAC” or Kristol’s Weekly Standard , and they all say the same thing …

    islam is at war with west
    (maybe they got backwards)
    there is a clash of civilizations
    muslims want the world to regress into the middle ages again
    “they” hate us because of our freedoms

    blah blah blah

    would these type of nonsensical statements be tolerated if they were hurled at christians or jews?

    i don’t think so

    but without batting an eyelash, men in suits with official-sounding titles from prestigious-sounding think-tanks spout out this repulsive rhetoric, which is entirely condoned, and overlooked by the likes of your limbaugh.

    could i use the term “judeofascist” to describe the actions of israel when it attacked the civilian infrastructure and soft targets last summer in lebanon?

    could i use the term “christofascist” to describe the christian right’s desire to remove chavez with a coup d’etat?

    the student in question had her rights violated in a most cowardly manner. that’s it. it is an injustice. you cannot extrapolate this injustice to some comparison between which religion is persecuted more, because then it becomes a nasty pissing contest of which group has suffered more. and it digresses from the main point, that the constitution guarantess us freedom of religion without persecution, and the actions of the school in this case are in obvious violation of the constitution.

  • I don’t believe stating that Christianity is discriminated against in public schools (a focus of Limbaugh’s book) is the beginning of a pissing contest.

    One could very well make the argument that Islam doesn’t get a fair shake in cable news (even though I wouldn’t necessarily agree) but Hollywood most definitely isn’t guilty of that, and how much of the American population spends their time watching cable news versus TV and Movies?

    And that says nothing about the issue of discrimination against Christianity in the public schools. Just because CNN is supposedly not treating Islam fairly doesn’t mean it’s OK for public schools and Universities to not treat Chritianity fairly.

    The truth is religion in all forms are disrespected by academia and Hollywood, but Islam will rarely be discriminated against on grounds of “diversity” and “tolerance” but the majority religion is fair game.

    “Persecution” has little to do with how religion is treated in the media…I’ve made the mistake of confusing issues before and you’ve pointed it out.

    Right back at you.

  • If you ever get a chance to glance at David Limbaugh’s book, “Persecution” it’s offensive how Christianity is discriminated against, while Islam is treated with kids glove on the grounds of “diversity” training.

    These words were yours, Butch.
    I stand by every word of my reply, and again, you missed the point.

    Why compare them? Make the case that Christianity is being attacked. I have observed it as well. But why drag in the ridiculous comparison that Christianity is being attacked, while Islam is being glorified, when I see Islam being attacked all over the US.

    The little girl’s right to read the Bible is guaranteed by the Constitution. A school administrator who suspends that right is violating the Constitution. It is an injustice.

    Limbaugh’s premise is quite ridiculous.

    I agree with you 100% that Islam being treated unfairly by CNN does not means it’s OK to treat Christianity unfairly.

    Academics and Hollywood …

    Many Academics are atheists, plain and simple. Hollywood, I’ll spare you my thoughts on its pointless drivel.

    I think there is a silent war on Christianity.

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    Florida Town Sued For Prohibiting Nativity Displays
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    ANN ARBOR, MI — Over the past several years during the Jewish holiday of Hanukkah, the Town of Bay Harbor Islands, Florida, has adorned the lampposts lining its main street with Jewish religious symbols of Menorahs and Stars of David and has allowed a Jewish synagogue to display its fourteen-foot Menorah in the most prominent public location at the entrance of Town. Yet every request by Sandra Snowden, a Christian resident, to display Nativity scenes purchased with her own money in a similar manner during the Christmas season, has been denied by Town officials.

    As a result the Thomas More Law Center has filed a federal lawsuit against the Town and its officials for their refusal to allow a Nativity to be displayed, while at the same time allowing the display of Jewish religious symbols in prominent locations throughout the Town. The lawsuit was filed Thursday after Snowden was denied permission for the second consecutive year to display a Christian Nativity.

    Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the Law Center, commented, “As we approach Christmas, we are once again confronted with a Town that believes it is legally acceptable to discriminate against Christian religious symbols celebrating this holy season. This is one of the most outrageous examples of such discrimination.”

    Starting last December, after the Menorahs and Stars of David had been displayed, Snowden contacted the Town and requested a more inclusive display of holiday decorations, since only Jewish religious symbols were featured. Then-Vice Mayor Isaac Salver responded in a letter by stating that he did not agree with her ideas about the decorations and commented, “it is sad to see one get deeply offended by something as trivial as holiday decorations.”

    On December 8, 2003, Snowden requested at a Town Council meeting to display a Nativity scene alongside the synagogue’s Menorah. Council members responded by again characterizing her request as trivial explaining that the issue was not time sensitive and therefore not necessary for the Council to act upon until after Christmas 2003. When Snowden attempted to explain her Nativity display, Council members refused any further discussion and abruptly adjourned the meeting in protest.

    In October 2004, Snowden again requested to display her Nativity scenes alongside the Jewish religious symbols displayed in the Town. The Town again refused her request, and Snowden sued, claiming that the Town has violated her free speech and equal protection rights and also has violated the establishment clause to the United States Constitution.

    Law Center attorneys filed a similar lawsuit last year against the Town of Palm Beach, Florida for its refusal to respond to repeated requests to display a Nativity alongside town sanctioned Menorahs. This past May, a federal district court judge acknowledged the importance of recognizing religious holidays and ordered Palm Beach to treat all religious symbols equally.

    Elsewhere the Law Center is pressing its case against the New York City public school system whose written policy permits students to display the Jewish Menorah, and the Islamic Star and Crescent, but prohibits students from displaying Christmas Nativity scenes.

  • Scottie, you have my blessing to call Pat Robertson a christofascist.

    I haven’t read David Limbaugh’s book, but the media and the public education system are two different things. You describe the media as biased towards the neo-cons, but in the school system it is a different story. At any university you find plenty of groups with islamophilia (If we are going to coin more phrases), and as I’ve mentioned before, prayer rooms in the school.

    The president of Society for Neuroscience (which is not a government institution, but filled with people on the government dole) last year had the Dalai Lama as a guest speaker. This had very little to do with neuroscience, and many people (mostly Chinese) protested his appearance. “Will you have the Pope next?” they complained. The response was, essentially, ‘of course we won’t have the pope, that is a totally different thing’ but failed to make the distinction. Basically, the president of SfN likes Buddhism but not Catholicism. In all honesty, if some imam who advocated non-violence were invited to speak I doubt many would oppose it.

    Although the war of civilizations argument may be overstated, it shouldn’t be ignored either. The pope makes some benign statements about what is new from Islam is violent, and he is proven right as nuns are killed in Italy.

  • OK…I understand what your saying, and the article you cite proves the point quite well…so we’re in agreement.

    So which premise is quite ridiculous?

  • Butch,

    “while Islam is treated with kids glove on the grounds of “diversity” training” is the faulty premise.

    I do not know if that is in Limbaugh’s book, or if you added that, but that comment is what sparked my protest.

  • Gotcha…there are some examples in the books of kids being taught to be a “muslim for a day” or something like that so they could “understand” other cultures. Which is fine until you suspend a kid for handing out pencils with Bible versus on it, or a shirt with a Christian message on it.

    The premise of the book is that Christianity is targeted; it has little to do with Islam in particular, but thanks for the clarification.

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